Jesus ****ing Christ, is any of this shit even worth reading? Only provacative idea was Guest's hidden factor of LTO SP.

Epiglotis, if you were a trainer where would you go with a horse in your care if you wanted a touch or to satisfy the owner?.

Walterter Pigeon and John In Brasil: There's an aching hole in your idea of trainer interntion.

So a horse cannot have ability?.

tell me of this aching hole epiglotis im wondering how this could be?.

JiB has waxwd on trainer intention, apropos VDW the inconsisency is conspicuous.

jib i was told many moons ago that vdw was all about non-stayers.

That's an exact point of "class" that they dont tell you.

Who are they?.

Id like to know.
Im one post away from a significant one lol..

What the **** have you ever contributed to this discussion beyond questions? Why I left Gummy's was on accont of abreaction. Say something.

i tried to earlier but you kicked it in the balls m8!.i`ll give the significant one out at a later date if i may.

Please except my apologies, I'd like a second chance.

F*** it, i`ll post it up tomorrow, i hate grudges.

No,I`ll look it up tonight!.

John,

I can’t really be bothered to labour the point – but 2 in the last 10 years I think backs up the point I’m trying to make about the distance and the Derby, particularly when you note the number of horses that have been entered with that kind of profile. With regards to the Guineas, I’m fully aware that there are trainers that have used this route.

Walter Pigeon: It was very tasteless of me to attempt to share my unhappiness with you, I hope you'll accept my apology.

Lee
The point is that VDW's basic method was a complete method that holds true from Prominent King right through to Rivage Bleu, and not a 'mix & match' approach where you take the bits that suit you and apply them to a particular race.

"This I trust will convey the notion that what applies to one type of race does not necessarily apply to another. Indeed it is wise to give considerable time to basic research in this direction both for National Hunt and Flat races. Frequently people opinion authoritatively that it is only through form that winners can be found".

VDW's words not mine - I think you may have missed a few points along the way!