WP,

But was SS being partly prepared in her previous races? That afterall is the trainers job.

If she peaked on 22-05 at the Curragh she has had enough time to have come out of any subsequent trough in her condition. Which is a luxury that you couldnt say Attraction (with her funny knees?) has similarly enjoyed.

I think JIB is right about Attraction, Far to many Hard races that all seem so close together and her last run should realy be a double winner as the trainer managed to keep her going so long and win like it did,

Rab,
The question id like answered & im not really interested in Soviet Song. Is why was Attraction not one of the 15-20 class/form special bets per year?.What was missing?.
After all if someone can answer this on the vdw forum it`s not just me that will benefit from it?.

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WP
basically no matter what way you look at form,s.s. was the best opponent that Attraction had ever come up against,and if you look at s.p.'s from last time 6/4 to odds on today,you have your answer

Rab,
Don't understand your question

Might have misheard, but I reckon I heard Jim McGrath say it was the 2nd fastest time ever over c/d.
Only 0.5secs outside the course record suggests it was a performance out of the top drawer by SS.

Pipedreamer,

I havent looked but i take it you are saying Attraction was a better price against lesser opposition l.t.o. compared to a pishier price against better opposition today, thus rendering her a rank bet on this occassion at the odds.

GREAT! so do you reckon there are more aspects to the class/form scenario than some would have us think?.

Those timeform guys are like many on here briliant after the event once the facts are known.

p.s. btw if your looking in Jim, no offence lol.

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John do you think Attraction may come back to win another class race this season after a break or is she now a spent force?.

Jib
Forgive us for trying to introduce logic into the argument.
Hope that teddy's on elastic!

WP,

A good diet and light excercise amd in 6 weeks she should (there being no injuries to treat) be back to her best. In a rematch with SS after a break like this I would back her to win, providing conditions are favourable.

Jd,

When I mined gold in the jungle we would dig test holes along virgin streams. When we reached the gravel of the ancient river bed we would pan it. If we got a few grams of gold we knew we could work the stream. However if there were only a few grains, no matter how many holes we made the stream never paid.

Horse racing isnt all that different. Attraction was top on Ability and Consistancy as she was proven on going and dist. V much a vdw horse, but many would have felt she was not placed to win .

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So why was Attraction running? If it was wasting muscle tissue the trainer must be a fool, he should already have it on a recuperation program.

Pipedreamer

This will be argued till the cows come home but i thought at the time i saw that Attraction was entered the other day was that the race was to soon as she has had some very hard races and her last one was the hardest,

Now if the race was at the end of July i would have said it was a bet as I think Top class filly's will run to form if everything is ok,

I may have got that race right but without thinking and even looking at the race (very little time)I backed Oasis star as it was a fillies race

Hello everyone

Soviet song/Attraction

I'm posting this at work and so do not have yesterday's Racing Post to refer to. However, this is what I thought abuot these two.


I looked at the race in detail, going back to speed figures recorded as 2 yo's for both horses.
If you remember, VDW attached great importance to a horse's 2yo performances - particularly the distances over which they ran.

Attraction's early career was over sprint distances and although it turned out to be a top class horse over 8f, against another top class horse whose early career, if I remember rightly, was over longer distances, there was always going to be doubt in my mind.

Also, just as we make allowances for a horse putting in an untypically poor performance, I felt the same could apply to Attraction's last run in that it appeared to be untypically good.

I left the race alone.

WP
I think Sulamani must be a vdw today or else I'm a dutchman (not),everything in its favour,a bit strange that it has never won in the U.K. before,but surely a good thing.

Pipedreamer
While Sulamani is the probable winner, this wouldn't be his main target.
He already has gp1 wins to his name, and this wouldn't advance his stud prospects any.
First run over too short, today's run over 12f comes at the right time for the big one in 18 days time, and he is unlikely to be bottomed for this prize.
Should still win, but Magistretti may stretch him now he has had a run.
A no bet race for me.

I think that JIB is right about Attraction. I got it wrong and I hold my hands up, although I only had a half stake bet.
With Sulamani today, its run at Ascot was below par and it would not be a maximum VDW class/form bet for that reason, whether it wins or loses. It does have a better chance at its optimum trip, but I never bet on horses that have run below their best LTO.

Pipedreamer,
I dont know what they are playing at with this horse they voiced concerns after the Ascot race about firm going for him.They run him today on firm again with a g1 penalty to carry?.The trainers either supremely confident going in against this lot with Sulamani or it fits in nicely with the training for the King George as Tan has suggested elsewhere?.