where do you find that type of info,that is very thorough.

There were no cross checks in HDG's race.

For two cross checks that beat the method look at the first at haydock on saturday, very much like your Tik-a-Tie, and the logician race where again the cross check beat the method.

VDW said he ""did not spell it all out" in fact far from it"".

AS I currently see it, if its any use.

In his first example VDW gave the method, and then mr hall spotted this very quickly. It was so simple he even called it a system( something VDW did not like, but interestingly something Peach persisted with in later Tomes). T Peach spotted the implications of the method, Which would ruin horse racing and the market as we know it, over the next period of time VDW gave us lots of examples to look at. The majority of these are "cross checks" which are horses that can and do beat "the method".

The method itself is undisclosed although hinted at several times in "spells it all out".

I think its quite ingenious that peach and he managed to divert people from the real message in that very first example. but yet still provided methods for many,many winners.

In fact he sent people running in all different directions. "Far from it". And with good reason.

A couple of weeks ago I would have let Surprising run as it has had no chasing experience.However from some posts put up I think he is a selection today.

Investor going back to Tees Components,how did you know he would/could stay 3 miles?

Barney good to see you back,thanks for the informative post,

Barney

There are basically two points of view among those who do not dismiss VDW as a con:

1) that VDW's approach is really very simple and, once the blindingly obvious is seen, the winners will flow;

2) that while, conceptually, it may indeed be both simple and logical, in practice understanding VDW's approach operationally requires a great deal of research and indeed no mean capability.

From the perspective of someone who takes this second point of view, and regards himself as having made some progress towards understanding, operationally, the essence of VDW's approach, confident but wholly incorrect remarks such as yours that "There were no cross checks in HDG's race" merely signal lack of understanding.

Fulham
Wrote

“1) that VDW's approach is really very simple and, once the blindingly obvious is seen, the winners will flow”

Whether the winners will flow or not, the above view fits the
“it is so simple” “Same horses as myself” scenario and VDW wrote those words

It looks more like a system to me ,
And if the “same Horses as myself “ statement is feasible, then There cant be much open to interpretation,

Which couldnt be said regarding the second view

now that you have moved to operational understanding, for how long I dont know, it can only be in the last few months since when guest has spelled it out.

Do not close your mind and be prepared to move again.

Barney,

Glad that you are still posting.

Are you backing anything today?

no mate,

not looked at a paper today as baby was rushed into hospital last night and i only got back late I am sat here waiting to go and visit.

There are more important things in life than horses.

and anyway there are cards full tommorrow.

Titus what about the vdw library five books for about £35 from the browsers site that might help you along the way, it seems like a few have made a really exciting breakthrough with vdw good luck to you it must feel great!.

Oh Dear!!

Barney,

Sorry to here that. I hope things are ok and your baby gets well quickly.

"proform" on gummys paid tipster page.

is not far off from what ive seen so far.



Thanks chaz

I didn't know wether tees components would stay,But relative to the rest of the field,He was way out in front,I think theyv'e got a plan for this one,But over a shorter distance,Well worth keeping an eye on.Do you have any views on Intersky falcon on sat.

Barney,

I'm in need of a MASSIVE favour and you maybe someone who can help. I'd be grateful if you'll email me on chazg100@yahoo.co.uk.

Thanks.

Barney

I am glad to acknowledge, again, the very great help that Guest's posts have given me in taking steps towards more fully understanding VDW operationally, as well as conceptually.


Boozer

What VDW was saying is that, when one does understand his approach, one will be backing the same horses as he did, ie c/fs (or other form horses) which on investigation (which is where the cross checks come in) prove solid. No more than that. He repeatedly said that his was a methodology, not a system.

If you look at surprising's form,With today's conditions and everythig else taken into account,I think you may reverse your decision that this horse was a good bet,Definately should have been left to run,In my opinion.

Hi Barney,
Sorry to read the news ....hope things go well for the little one..Im sure he / she will be in safe hands....Good Luck
Regards.....

BRICK

Barney,

Now you really do have me baffled. Are you seriously suggesting that of the 150+ examples that VDW gave, then only PK is a genuine one and all the rest a red herring? Mind boggling!

Hope everything is OK with the baby.

Cheers

Whilst it takes judgement & interpretation
to establish weather a horse is in or out of form the methods put up by VDW can never be
classed as systems.

Mr Ed

Whilst I can see evidence to support Fulhams view,I can also see evidence to support my view.

Heres My view

A Vital factor was Not deliberately pointed out
Once you find it (TheVital factor that is) you will have the same horses as myself

That’s what he wrote
And you cant twist it into anything more complicated than finding that one vital factor
And having the same horses as VDW

If that is the case
Its more system than method and
I can see why anybody with such a set of rules (that worked) would want to say it’s a Method

Adding form figures together, calculating ability ratings , class Ratings , handicap ratings Sf Ratings anything to do with the numerical picture aint rocket science,any body can do it without Inteligent judgement or Clever interpretation and get the same horses

VDW Stuff is nothing new
Narrow the field by eliminating horses that (Hopefully) cant win
Be left with a 2/3 probables that the winner is going to come from
Extract the winner from the probables



All we need now is that last vital factor and we have the same horses as VDW
But if there is a vital Factor that makes a difference
And everybody knows about it
It wont work for long will it?

It’s a System

That’s how I see it anyway

[This message was edited by boozer on December 03, 2002 at 06:39 PM.]