Barney,

I must say that you are leaving yourself wide open to criticism with posts like the one yesterday.

I also feel the same way about recent posts from John D. Good luck to him and I hope he’s found a way that works, however, I’m unsure as to what benefit people will get from these types of posts and I have to question the intentions of them?

I feel that unless claims or remarks like these can be substantiated then they are worth very little.

I have entered into disscusion on a number of races recently and given winners before hand.

Now they were ignored by the very people who were interested in the race.

I am just showing what is possible.

Now whether people believe it or not is up to them.

Its no skin off my nose.

Is anyone else having difficulty with the cross checks regarding Von Trappe in the Feltham Novices Chase on 27th Dec. 1985 (Race 1139)

BARNEY

Is it not scarey to have that amount of selections in one day, surely an adverse run would blow you and your staking plan out of the water.

Barney,

It’s not about whether or not I or anyone else believes in your claims, but whether or not your claims are of any use. We all know what is supposedly possible, VDW wrote plenty of articles telling us. A claim without substance is really of no use to anyone.

Determined well done today with bacchanal did look to have a decent chance beforehand & a nice price too.

May i ask if anyone has been having a go at the list of winners by GR lincs which was kindly posted by JD it would be very beneficial to us all if we could suss this (Winner In A Race) conundrum would`nt it? what is meant by a WINNER IN A RACE?, & is this the common thread that runs through the vdw selections that weve heard said so many times?.

p.s. well done Andrew as well

[This message was edited by walter pigeon on November 30, 2002 at 06:07 PM.]

Mister Ed

If you would care to spell out precisely the nature of the difficulty you are having with this example, it may be that I or someone else can help you.

Well done with the winners yesterday, and your openess in posting them. The only people they seem to be upsetting are the 'flat earth society', keep it up.

And of course the 100 miles to the moon brigade.

Johnd,and Barney,
Thanks for your response.As I see it Ballycassidy (sorry to go on about it),had won on a sharp track ie Stratford.The ground and distance shouldn't have been a problem should it?been there,done that.I am still perplexed by it.

Today,I found Got one Too,and Baachanal,and left it at that.The Fighting Fifth at Newcastle,was an example of conflict to me anyway,and was left.

Barney glad to see things are going well for you.

I am going to have a little rest from VDW,

BUT I will leave you with this to think about

I always used to say speed figures and OR are rubbish when it comes to finding winners the VDW way AND I have been proved correct, I now have another to add to the list

************ FORM IS RUBBISH ***************

it has nothing to do with selecting winners the VDW way.

VDW hinted at this "NO GENIUS IN WINNER FINDING"


For the couple that may care to look today at haydock they were,


2nd 2/1
3rd 5/1
won 1/1
won 100/30
won 13/2
p/u
won 16/1

If you would like exlpanations do a search for "Tannisworld". This forum is for the mentally sick, join it or **** it off.

Epi surely this forum is the best on the web & not for the mentally unfit at all lol, one can only join in as far as abilty will allow though hope im not upsetting anyone by asking obvious questions after all jd did say we should ask.
Barney hope you are fine will have a look at the horses you mentioned today but am i right in thinking this is a relatively new direction for you or is it something you have been working on for a while now?.

[This message was edited by walter pigeon on November 30, 2002 at 11:15 PM.]

This forum is the best on the web for the mentally unfit. For the sane, well that's a different story.

You're quite right. Who cares if anyone believes you or not. I know the feeling, today for example at Newbury I had

2nd 11/4
Won 8/1
Won 10/11
2nd 9/2
Won 33/1 (Took 60/1 on Betfair)
3rd 12/1
Won 14/1

And there are probably as many people believe me as believe you. Sad isn't it.

I can understand your misunderstanding, I will try and make things a little clearer.
Putting aside Ballycassidy's one novice chase run, I will set out some extracts from his RECENT previous form.

ASC 24f Gd O'paced 3 out, rallied next, stayed on run in.

ASC 24f Gd Pushed along 3 out, rallied last.

HUNT 26f GS Driven along 8th, led last, stayed on u.p.

AINT 24Gd (Well up in class) Midfield lost place before 8th, soon behind.

These are his most recent runs, in date order, and strongly suggest that Ludlow's 3m on ground that was bordering on g/f, would prove to be an insufficient test. After the race, one of the presenters on ATR remarked that Ballycassidy probably needed further, and the Racing Post summary the next day said, " Ballycassidy never appeared to be really travelling, and the jockey was pushing him along passing the stands with a circuit to negotiate". My reading of the race concurs with this.
It is all very well to judge a horse on its previous performances, but it is my view that only its most recent form will tell you where the horse is at now.
Hope this helps.

Regards
Johnd.

If speed figs and Or's and form are all rubbish,
what do you do then? Speak to the horses personally.
The 16-1 INGENU was easily top on speed by 30 points.
Jimmy's 33-1 KELTIC BAIRD was joint top speed with the runner up, SUD BLEU.
If memory serves, no other horse in the latter race even had a speed fig.
If one looks at a race card one's eyes do see something. What do your eyes see, cos theres nothing left to read then is there apart from horses name and who trains and rides it.

Will your answer be "Get off my case" like when I tried to advise before?
Swish

I also went for this loser.
Foolishly, now I know it got stuffed.
Again the 16-1 winner DERRINGHOTER YANK, waS 26 points clear on speed.As not all top speed horses win it is difficult to decide whether they will win or not, but to say speed figs are meaningless is an insult to anyone's intelligence.
Any horse that wins a race runs faster than the rest, or is that rubbish also?
Perhaps the winner doesn't always run faster than the rest, and the laws of science and physics are just made up by nutters,
Yours
angrily
Swish

Barney sorry to hear you are giving vdw a break on this board had a gander at your haydock results today been up all night as well, now vdw said he didnt place too much importance in his 2 rating methods & they were used as a guide only, im not sure if this can be taken as gospel though as sure when he was asked to reveal them his reply was to the effect that "people must be naive if they thought he would divulge them free gratis" please feel free to correct me if im wrong anyone, as regards the criteria for qualification i can only hazard a guess & say the class of race l.t.o the weight the horse carried & the price therin are fundemental in your findings but then again you said form is not important could you help please.