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Hello johnd,
There have been a few breakaway VDW groups formed from this forum over the past 5 years but it's strange how in the end they all come back here.
Epi can say what he likes about VDW and his method but a line is drawn at posting abusive comments about other members.

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Posts: 4396 | Registered: August 14, 2002

john in brasil

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Mtoto,

Firstly, if your horse got stuffed at Chester, other excuses excepted, it probably didnt handle the left hand curve. (I see that Flatstats have found that Sadlers Wells progeny have a particularly poor record at Epsom.) Thankfully there are plenty of other potential targets, and the horses training plan can still be adapted accordingly.

Nichols specialises in sprints where either the draw or getting trapped (even for a few seconds) can 'undo' a lot of hard work. By entering 4 or 5 horses Mr Nichols is more sure of getting the winner.

Finally I am glad that my colleagues and my stupid betting practises are being so profitable for you, and I admire your altruism in trying to talk us out of them.

Posts: 4717 | Registered: February 10, 2002

Seanrua

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I may be as wrong as I am about VDW, but if Ectoo is the one and the same EC who posts on TRF and other places, then his going would be a sad loss to Gummy Racing Forum.

However, as this isn't the forum proper, I don't suppose many VDWers will share my feelings.

In case anyone is interested, I only know what I've seen on the 'net (no personal aquaintance), but I can tell you that this guy is seriously good at horseracing and well into the old speed figure stuff.

Btw, Ectoo, and all the others, that even I can understand, why don't we continue our discussion in another part of the forum?

I don't think we'll make much headway on this thread; we just seem to annoy those that are gifted with an understanding of VDW.

Posts: 1514 | Registered: April 23, 2004

Tuppenycat

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Hello Guest !

Surely - You have a "Positive Contribution " to make to this Debate !!

Posts: 2359 | Registered: June 17, 2002

Guest

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In time.

Posts: 748 | Registered: February 18, 2002

Tuppenycat

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Welcome back !!

Posts: 2359 | Registered: June 17, 2002

john in brasil

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Opus Dei

Welcome back Guest!

I'd be interested to know if you work with lists?

Posts: 4717 | Registered: February 10, 2002

Mtoto

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JIB

I thought I was agreeing, a well balanced horse showing it could handle a turning track. Thought it would be stating the obvious to say turning left handed track. As there is only one Derby, don't really see an alternative target would do the trick though.

I also worry a lot of these sire stats could be self perpetuating. I would much prefer to look at the individual horse. Many were saying Rule of Law couldn't/wouldn't stay based on the pedigree. I would trust the trainer in that situation.

Can only agree about sprints, a second can = 5 lengths. Why take a chance on the race? Even with a consistent horse I would want it to have a good few points in hand.

Re your last point, I wouldn't have mentioned it if you didn't keep suggesting it is good policy to avoid consistent horse. I do try to help. Couldn't help but notice some of your donkeys that won were either consistent or in the lowest 3 for consistency. Why then did you make them a bet?

Seanrua,

Have to say here is one VDWer (though some would disagree) who thinks EC is/would be a very big loss. I think he could be a big help to this thread, and instigate some well reasoned discussions.

Be Lucky

Posts: 1133 | Registered: October 22, 2001

john in brasil

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Mtoto,

If the horse cant handle a left hand turn an alternative is not an option it is a necessity.

A horse does not by any means inherit the same ideal conditions as its sire but the progeny do tend to have much in common when their results are analysed.

But again truly exceptional horses are not bound by mere sire inheritance in the same way some are so poor that they cannot even begin to imitate their brothers and sisters.

You might like to ponder on why the predominance of racings richest segments is involved in the sires business, that will probably explain why you think it may be self perpetuating.

The Donkeys were made bets because they had been placed to win. They will have had the same form figs when they were not made bets because they had not been placed to win.

Thankfully I have not allowed the form figs to influence me, which probably explains why I maintain a profitable approach.

Posts: 4717 | Registered: February 10, 2002

johnd

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Ectoo
I don't have any grudge against you, far from it; the only grudge I hold is against posters who have used this thread in the past to recruit members away from it, at one stage almost terminally!

quote:
Originally posted by ectoo:
_Epi does have a point, though!_

in regard to what John?

In regard of the people who post on here to appear to be clever, rather than to discuss the issues. Much like Mtoto's answer to my query on yesterday's 5 runners, where, rather than answer the question raised, he used it in an effort to show how smart he was.

Boozer
I am confused as to why you think the 2nd numerical picture a myth?
VDW specifically referred to it in 'The Myth of the Missing Link'.

Posts: 1512 | Registered: August 20, 2002

boozer

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quote:

Boozer
I am confused as to why you think the 2nd numerical picture a myth?
VDW specifically referred to it in 'The Myth of the Missing Link'.

Never said that johnd
I dont see it as a myth
I see a lot of people who have different views as to what it is

And they all think they are right

Posts: 690 | Registered: August 19, 2002

Guest

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JIB/Tuppencat - Thanks for the welcome.

JIB - Yes, I do use lists mainly along the lines that VDW set out, but I have also developed my own ideas. When a horse is down to run I then evaluate the race in full to judge it's chance in the given race.

Hopefully there will be a working example I can post later this week.

Posts: 748 | Registered: February 18, 2002

Seanrua

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Regarding the points made by JIB and Mtoto,

I think that Brighton is a great course for horses to practice for the Derby.

LH, down round a bend and then uphill. A test of courage and balance.

For a tight LH track, an animal can gallop round Wolver all winter if arrangements are made.
Now that the surface is poly, no harm should come to decent horses whose owners may have been scared off by the old sand.

Posts: 1514 | Registered: April 23, 2004

investor

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Ectoo
Please excuse me r.e Democratic Deficit,Of course you were right,Finishing 2 lgs behind Oratorio.I do believe that the horse would have fallen down on at least one of the cross checks that vdw used,Which would have brought Dubawi into the equation in no uncertain terms,But it all added to the conflict.I wouldn't have backed Dubawi at the price he was anyway,The exercise was just to point out to jib that consistent horses do win,And i was not at al suprised to see Dubawi in the winners enclosure.

Posts: 2832 | Registered: November 28, 2001

john in brasil

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Guest,

I genuinely look forward to it.

Posts: 4717 | Registered: February 10, 2002

johnd

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Boozer
Re 'The second numerical picture'

Although presented as two separate articles in 'Racing In My System', the original mention actually came as part of the same article as his Pegwell Bay example, first published in a pamphlet in the 'Make Racing Pay Series, vol 2', a copy of which I had until recently.
This strongly suggests, to me anyway, that first he wrote about it, and then he demonstrated it, all in the same article.
Incidentally, this was one of the articles for which Tony Peach elicited a £50 payment for from the SCHB; as far as I am aware, entirely unsolicited by VDW, and nothing more than a token gesture to an already wealthy person. Possibly another myth exploded?

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Welcome back to the madhouse!

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Posts: 1512 | Registered: August 20, 2002

Pipedreamer

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Johnd,
You beat me to it.The 2nd numerical picture,it seems to be unclear,as to what it actually is.

What does the 2nd numerical picture show?How does it help?In my posting on Saturday morning,I mentioned about FORM.Does the 2nd numerical picture point us to the form horses?

Posts: 546 | Registered: February 09, 2002

Tuppenycat

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johnd - thanx

you have caused me to look again at "Racing in My System "

and for those who are - banging the "consistancy theory " Drum - I suggest that you read this !!

quote:
The Handicap Book was bought for its Races to come feature . as older readers will recall , it used to give the following weeks cards and alphabetical list of horses with trainers entries - enabling me to study well in advance.

Horses could be entered in just one - or any number of races , and the eventualy selected one - if indeed the horse actualy ran , could prove most interesting as indeed could the - the decision - not to run !!

He goes on to say -

quote:
There were always horses that I knew , or judged , to be at peak and ready to win. --
How they were placed, could give the game away. !
What a lot of Punters don't seem to appreciate is that in any race , - - the majority of horses -are not ther to win, - but to -- "prepare them to win " !!

More !!

quote:
To be a succesful Punter -
you need to ubderstand - the things that Trainers do - to bring horses to the boil !!-

- Some Trainers work in ways that I'll just call --
Unorthodox ,- and "Strange Things" seem to happen to their charges !

quote:
Most Punters havn't a clue as to whats going on , but those who know the game can't be fooled so easily !!

How many times have you witnessed a so called "Good Thing " come unstuck - only to see it in the winners enclosure next time - when nobody - wanted to back it ??

-

I took the trouble to -" Type Out " - all of the above - because it strikes me as - "essential reading" -
if you want to follow - VDW - !!

The "Trainer" - and his intentions - is/are - at least as important as The "Horse" !!

Would be interested in Mtoto's comments re - my post !!

Lots more of course !!

Posts: 2359 | Registered: June 17, 2002

walter pigeon

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Tc sorry for the delay,
I was on about epi`s "only the one useful post in the last 4 pages statement" when i made my tongue-in-cheek reply re- pipedreamer.
He was out of order saying that about the members.
No one, no matter how smart they are should try to put themselves above the boys & gals here on Gummy.

Posts: 1853 | Registered: August 27, 2002

john in brasil

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Amazed

TC,

Finally after 700 pages appear writings that support what we've been abused all this time for.

To be a succesful Punter -
you need to ubderstand - the things that Trainers do - to bring horses to the boil !!-

Reconcile that statement to the consistency rating!

Posts: 4717 | Registered: February 10, 2002

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