statajack,

if i remember correctly there was no other racing that day.

that is my point, that this was the way and then the other factors brought into play when no one could see why they were selections.

he only brought class, form, abilty etc into play after all the comments "i cant see it", "the missing link", "where is the key". then he spells it out.

he said when everything fits back it and this will show the way and that "something comes to the fore, intuition know how, call it what you will"

it must be that after all that form study looking for the perfect picture, the penny drops.

fulham,

WELL DONE FULHAM

Statajack

Your assumption that the Irish meeting was the only one on is correct. The four scheduled British meetings were cancelled due to frost.



Barney

Cheers. As on this board, the Japanese influence produces the goods!

statajack,

cast your mind back to when you first joined and i put up a three year old in a conditions race, you said it could be a very shrewd placement by the trainer, all the horses i put up around that time were the same and you said all of them were not good thing's. WHY? they were all the same as pk and roushayd and many of the others.

Guest put up a horse on sat and some even doubt its a form horse.

so dont pretend you dont know about it why does everyone keep going back to basics, i dont know.

Headlines

Please change your user name to Sidelines

What am I missing here regarding PK
All this complicated analysis of the Erins
There were only 2 horses left
Pk and mr K
what is the problem
Am I misssing something
Am I thick (could be)

Barney - Your hypothetical finish would certainly have shown things in a different light. If a class/form horse is in front, you would expect him to stay there. If he never got into the business end of the race then something else is afoot perhaps ?

Guest,


only trying to make him fit. LOL

boozer,

your not missing anything

he was joint on one method

boozer,

dont knock it it might be a guardian angel

So
2 horses left
Pk Mk
5/1 6/1

Dutch it
or Pk Mk

Main stake and a saver

No lose situation

End of story

No doubt somebody will pull me up if its not as simple as that

Move on

Barney

Howdya mean
I aint knocking anything

headlines,

hello again


boozer,

i have dutched a fair bit but i dont think there was any contest in that one

boozer,

sorry mate a bit cryptic dont knock headlines

god knows i need one round here

fancy a chat headlines

Barney

You know headlines then?

Fulham,

I have to agree that The Christmas hurdle was the fastest race run on that day. That doesn't alter the fact that is must have been a tactical race, run at a slower pace than the horses were capable off. Going into the race all 3 had s/f of 120 + and the winner returned a figure of 107 (unadjusted). Well below what would be achieved in a true run race.

Barney.

I agree PK and Roushayd had the same profile in as much as they had both PROVED they were capable of winning a race of the race in question. In many of your examples I can't find that proof.
You seem surprised that many doubt Tillerman was in form. I'm surprised Guest thinks he was, based on his posting to this board. To be honest, I backed Tillerman at Ascot, I had him the class horse in the race. I still think he may have won it if he had gone with the pace, and not hung a right to the other side. His win at Goodwood was 100% down to the jockey, and I thought the course was wrong for him on that day. Florida Pearl gives me even more problems, I can see he was the likely winner. It can never be proven, but I don't think he would have been a vdw selection. Why do you think Mr Kildare was joint on any method? BL was starred but well out of it , PK could have been joint and had the edge with horses that failed for other reasons.

Boozer

The crux of the matter seems to be BL needs to be out of form to eliminate him from the race. Other wise he would be the c/form horse. I am happy to except vdw did not use the ability rating (as explained later) to grade this race. I think the true ability rating is tied up in his *other* ratings. Many think the other ratings are of no importance and any set of ratings will do. Hope that explains it

Be Lucky

Mtoto

Vdw has eilminated BL
Was well out of it
By rating methods
There are only 2 left according to Vdw
Pk and Mk

Boozer.

I'm happy with that, but why is he eliminated? You can't just except things without a reason. Was he out of form as Guest says? I make PK the c/form horse with BL in form, just trying to understand the logic.

Fancy a chat in the chat room?

Be lucky

Mtoto

VDW did demonstrate that any other ratings will do
Sporting life and Daily mail I think in a later example
He didnt attach much importance to them
But important enough to dismiss BL

Get to bed anyway
and paint the car another colour other than pink tomorrow

I know what I mean anyway

mtoto

Never been in the chatroom but will log off and find my way

Hopefully