that,s a bit of a blow,i don,t know why it was returned,still not to worry maybe you could try again another time,thanks for making the effort anyway..cheers investor

Investor,

I've just added an email address to my profile if you wish to try it, to which I can reply.

Most of the relevant points are covered in the Roushayd exercise in one way or another. Lee has quoted a very telling passage that VDW wrote some time after the book was published. It says it all really about VDWs motivation towards writing the book in the first place. Some grasped what VDW was actually telling us and the penny dropped, others just saw the basic platform of class rises and speed figures. The only reason to try and fault the book is if you are unconvinced by it's content or cannot see what is there in the clues within.

ok know my place , still puzzled though consistency figures dont mean a horse is in form appreciate that, why the statement then vdw believes in consistency ?.

Hi Mack,

Good consistent horses win a high percentage of races and a yardstick to measure this was given in the form of the consistency rating by VDW.

However, the rating is just a simple guide to consistency and doesn’t necessarily mean that a consistent horse is in form when compared to other horses in the race, and indeed the conditions of the race in question.

It doesn’t matter how consistent a horse is if it’s not got form in the same or higher class as the opposition, it will be difficult for it to win. There are obviously occasions where a consistent lower class horse will come along and steel the prize, but like I say these can be identified. One that springs to mind would be Turgeonev when he stole the prize in the Victor Chandler chase earlier this year, an improving type and a big danger to the class/form horse.

This is the point at which you arrive at the crossroads and the signposts begin to disappear. VDW did provide us with all the necessary tools to but didn’t spell out exactly how to use them. At this point most will rubbish the method and move on to things less worthwhile and never realise their worth.

Hello All,

I'm probably wrong but I think today was a very good one for the Unexposed Form Method. 3 winners at one course. Not bad! And I didn't bet any of them!

All the best
hedgehog

That helps lee, was automatically ruling out horses that were`nt in the first 3 consistency rating as thought they had to be rated in there as well as the ability rating to be called class/form horses , thats why carbury cross was causing me problems but guest said he showed he was in form in his last race so i thought what if i looked to the highest ability horses & then kept those who were consistent along with those who had an improved type run in higher class l.t.o. then a case could be made for carbury cross right enough.

Hello everyone,
The first letter of VDW's that is reprinted in the GOLDEN YEARS was concerned only with staking.It is noticeable that a couple of the people in the group who seem very conversant with VDW's methods, much more so than I am, haven't stuck rigidly to what he put over in this area.I think guest said that he uses a variation on it and Lee said he uses a different staking plan entirely.I always thought that the staking plan was ideally suited to odds on selections whether in single win bets or dutching to show 1 point profit per bet.Do you think vdw used different staking arrangements for different methods?

Does anyone think that the reason One in a million wasn't a bet at the price was because VDW needed to make a book in the race, so as not to flaunt the odds, and the price VDW could get about One in a million would not allow a reasonable profit margin?

In a recent example Guest said that Young Joker was a bet if evens or better was available.I don't get it.With an 80% strike rate as a minimum why would 10/11 not be acceptable or 4/6 especially if using VDW,s staking plan or something similar? Any advice gratefully recieved.

cheers and gone


Bream

its very quiet around here lately so i thought i would post up how i see the first four at ascot going this afternoon-
1.30 ben ewer
2.00 upgrade
2.30 spendid
3.00 chicuelo

what do you think?
max

i think the vdw lot have flown the nest max.

titus

Hello All,

hope you and yours are well and happy.

I was hoping that Guest would have posted his thoughts on racing today. I feel a lot more confident when I get the same C/F horses as Guest.

The time is 14.23 so if I'm quick I'll get this on before the first race has finished.

2.30 Ascot
In form horses Splendid and Majestic.
I make Splendid the C/F horse and it has a lot of plus points

Selection Splendid

3.50 Market Rasen
I only have one in form horse Extra Cache which automatically becomes the C/F horse. I think Bergamo should have romped its last race and so I think its out of form.

Selection Extra Cache

4.35 Hexham
In form horses Plutocrat, Golden Thunderbolt and Its All A Chance.
I make Plutocrat the C/F horse with a lot of plus points.

Selection Plutocrat

All the best
hedgehog

Evening all,

Well done Hedgehog with your selection of Spendid.
The same well done to Max for Spendid and Upgrade.

A very poor weeks racing has just passed which is perhaps the reason why this thread has been very quiet recently.

For me personally I was unable to post for 2 days due to local internet downtime.

Today, albeit a very quick evaluation as I was going out all day I identified what I thought was a very good VDW investment namely SIMEON. Some of the experts may suggest the weight was a factor against today but in my opinion his clear class superioty negated the weight aspect.
All irrelevant however as the price on offer was not for me.

An equally strong investment was KAYSERI (in my opinion) and it was here I made my first major mistake of the year. I manage to find a bookmakers in Ingoldmells just before the off. My bet was written out but I hesitated and the investment wasn`t placed.
To me there were so many factors for this horse today yet a quick look across the other threads I note 2 chaps who`s opinion I greatly respect namely Barney and Swish selected different horses.
It just goes to shown how opinion can differ in just a 7 runner race.

**** I`d be interested in anybody`s comments on the 2 horses I have named ****

I`VE SPENT MOST OF THIS WEEK GOING THROUGH LAST FLAT SEASONS RACING FOR JUNE - JULY - AUGUST IDENTIFYING WHAT I BELIEVE MAY HAVE BEEN VDW SELECTIONS AND ITS FRIGHTENING - ISN`T IT EASY IN HINDSIGHT.

A great weeks racing coming up so lets hope Guest and one or 2 more come out of hibernation.

I`m off work all week so I`ll be doing my best to make a fool of myself.
Looking at this weeks entries I`m reasonably confident I may find a bet or 2. early days to be getting too involved though isn`t it ?

Cheers,

Determined you said...


"I`VE SPENT MOST OF THIS WEEK GOING THROUGH LAST FLAT SEASONS RACING FOR JUNE - JULY - AUGUST IDENTIFYING WHAT I BELIEVE MAY HAVE BEEN VDW SELECTIONS AND ITS FRIGHTENING - ISN`T IT EASY IN HINDSIGHT."

any particular VDW methods?
C/F,con,B/F method
roushayd method
2-3yo method
any others?

were the results promising?

cherrs IMP

re ingolmells-are you taking an early holiday?i have spent many a happy time there.the bookies that you mentioned is that the porto cabin at the side of the pub?,i have been in there a lot,no sis just audio and teletext,those were the days.
max.

Which horse did Barney pick?
In the meantime using Roushayd, Pole Star was the only possible bet (the way I interpret it).
Why did you think Kayseri?
Yours
Swish

Further to you letter and the above, although I could never have backed any horse but Simeon in his race, I don't like horses that have not dropped in class and NEVER at odds on if no class drop. In my opinion odds on with no class drop are a direct route to disaster,
Yours
Swish

Just a couple of things.

Firstly Pole Star was not the class/form horse, so being saddled with topweight was a further hinderance.

Also the type of profile that the Roushayd method throws up had little to do with first run of the season in view of how the speed figure factor helps gauge fitness. Still all credit to the horse for putting in a brave effort against the real class/form horse Kayseri.

Simeon was the class/form horse and had little to fear from any of the opposition on what they had achieved to date. A genuine odds on chance and once again he delivered as favourite.

Dear Guest,
I could beat you using Roushayd method almost all the time.
I have complimented you on some of your wins, you do not even know how to compliment anyone.
KAYSERI "was the class form horse" rubbish!
It was a c/d winner at PONT that's all!
3/4 length settled it AND YOU RECKON YOU KNEW THINGS WOULD BE THAT CLOSE?
Just like when EXTRA JACK got beat.
Well if you are so good then, firstly why give us losers and secondly, why not praise to winners?
This will of course all come to nothing,
but you got your kick and I got mine, which is your only aim,
Swish

Morning all,

I`m pleased my last post has created a reaction and thankfully brought this thread back to life.

Responses are required but a little later as my first task of the day is a 10 mile bike ride.

All part of the plan, ie - I was very fit once and the fitter you are the more alert mentally you ae which is what you need in this game.

Swish - why Kayseri; very quickly (more later):it was simply my reading of form,ie -there were negatives for everything else including Pole Star (in my opinion).

Back with more later.

Cheers ( Swish notice I`ve lost the `regards` ),