Didn`t look at any races today and I accept it is very easy afterwards but how does todays race compare with that Valerio ran in at Sandown on 09/03/02.

`V` was trying to concede 7 lbs to no less than Intersky Falcon that day. `V` was heavily supported that day and came to win his race only to weaken over the distance with the 11-10 he was set to carry.

The said race was also a grade 3 worth £21k.

Today, a grade c worth £15k over 2 miles.

Cheers,

In the prominent king example.

Where both methods showed beacon light well out of it.

How many can Honestly say they know what "both methods" are?

not think they know, know!!

sorry to bombard you with all the questions, if your too busy I will understand.

Why in your opinion was there a long wait to love from verona?

When critisised VDW gives several examples a day, he is not waiting for one a week, IS the strike rate 80-85% NO matter how many there are per day?

Uther pendragon does not "fit" why?

Barney

If nobody could find out how VDW rated beacon light then in 1979
What chance is there now


“He then gives the names of a number of horses and states that he rates the horses by two methods to arrive at his selections. .......
I was fairly confident that by burning the midnight oil I would discover the methods of rating the horses that Mr Van der Wheil used, to arrive at his combined figures.
But I have to confess to failure to do so and I suspect that most other readers have failed to do so. I have found good reasons to back the horses he mentions. I have tried to rate the horses in each of their previous three races as I assumed this was what was required to arrive at the three numbers in the combined figures given by Mr C Van der Wheil (Refers to 'Narrow The Field To Gain Winning Strip' 6-4-78). But I know I am off course when considering the race involving Prominent King, Beacon Light and Mr Kildare.
Mr Van der Wheil says, that both his methods of rating the horses show Beacon Light well out of it. I cannot see how. I have wished at times that Mr G.Hall had not said in his letter that the key was plainly, there to see.”

Boozer

Perhaps some people are brighter (or more assiduous) than Mr Swann.


Barney

Re ratings, you might want to re-read Guest's posts of 12/8/02 (11.22am) and 21/9/02 (11.49am).

Of course, the ratings issue was secondary to the main reason Beacon Light was not a proposition in the 1978 Erin.

You must be a fearsome money making machine.

I feel like I'm at the top of the rainbow.

Barney, its totally unimportant what ratings methods were used to show Beacon Light was well out of it- so long as the ratings used are reliable and compiled differently, thats all you need to know. The only reason vdw compiled his own ratings was presumably because the sp would be unnafected as opposed to everyone using a widely used rating (like postmark or topspeed today). He still illustrated some examples using readily available ratings such as the Daily Mail and Sporting Life, that should tell you something. Its what clues the ratings give you that is important, seeing as they are compiled by expert opinion. You always need to check the form to confirm what the ratings say but the fact that 2 diferent form or speed experts operating in different ways point you in (or away from) a certain direction should be enough, especially with all the other factors involved in vdw, to tell you something. Whether anyone understands the form aspect of vdw or not is not strictly the point- "Two ratings methods showed Beacon Light to be well out of it" - must be a good thing then!
regards,

I dont mean to be disrespectfull

but you are a million miles away.

my bets today were

w 6/5
w 16/1
w 1/1
w 14/1
8th 6/1 (this was my fault not the methods)
fell at last when won 3/1
2nd 9/2
won 7/4
2nd 11/8
won 9/2
won 7/4
3rd 9/1
won5/1

[This message was edited by Barney on November 29, 2002 at 11:21 PM.]

Barney - I had Joly Bey as the class/form horse but with negatives. The race was one big conflict for me and One Knight was a false favourite though possible.

The wait for LFV was due mainly to the weather.

As for the ratings on Beacon Light, I don't know for certain in the Erin Food, but if a horse goes off at evs in a top race you can be pretty sure 9 times out of 10 it is top rated by the popular press handicaps.

You are clearly a stable in form.

Well done on a very good day.

You would appear to be on your way to making a living out of this game.

I envy you.

Cheers,

BACCHANAL

Cheers,

1.30 Newbury Jair du Cochet

1.10 Leicester Got One Too

2.55 Newcastle Marble Arch


JDC will not be backed but the other 2 plus Bacchanal given the right prices will be receiving some of my hard earned cash.

I guess Bounce Back and H.Collonges are the class/form horses in the Hennessy and I dare say backing both will give those playing a run for their money but the race is far too difficult for a mere novice like me.

It is nice to be able to look at the racing once again.

Have a good day all,

Determined

I will also be backing Got One Too & Bacchanal

Not backing against Intersky though and will leave race alone

Obviously a good day at the office. Well done.

Were all the selections arrived at through VDW methods?

I suppose I am fortunate as I had never looked at form before I came across VDW.

ALL, in my opinion, were rated with what I consider to be VDW's "two methods of rating" and then chosen because of class.

and I wonder if they would have won if posted on Gummy before the event ?

Well done today and a good call with Intersky Falcon.

For what its worth I ended backing the one horse today namely Bacchanal.

Short priced horses are not my cup of tea although this year I must admit to backing several between evens and 2/1.

A very informative days racing from which many a good winner will come.

Cheers,

try evaluating it from the perspective of the two to three yr old method.

Do you know what that is?

or the hurdle to chase method ?

ITs roots are still in class

all horses move on.

Also as your the "expert" on breeding look who is mam and dad and grandad are and what they achieved.


Its not my fault you dont apply the methods as vdw intended.

but that should help.

If thats the only one your stuck on you will go far

You are very naive if you think I did not know this would be the consequence.

I hope you got all that Big Ears.

Still have your fun!!!

I am laughing all the way to the bank. .