Fulham
You really want to think about some kind of s/plan, Cyberdetectives is very good, with the kind of s/r that you are achieving or more to the point what can be achieved using these methods. I'm sure you would find it benneficial and it also gives you confidence when placing decent size bets.

Swish - Whilst you often seem to revel in your reputation as a member that sometimes flies off the handle, to me it only demonstrates completely the wrong temperament to back horses for a living.

You continue to doubt that both Fulham and I are different people living in different parts of the country from no doubt different backgrounds. What evidence you have is based on our many postings on this thread. If you can't tell the difference between people through their literacy styles over such a long period then why should I be surprised that you can't even understand a simple paragraph that VDW wrote.

For example, VDW gave a method that concentrated on the most valuable handicap chase of the day (from any meeting) AND the most valuable non-hcp chase. He said evaluate these races as usual but keep in mind that form horses win a large percentage of races and that the first 2 or 3 in the betting of these principle chases win a large percentage of them. When the work is done only wager if the resultant selection is in the first 2 of the forecast. He then demonstrated a week in Dec 85 giving selections at all manner of low class races, but they were the main chases FOR THE DAY.

You continue to champion your favourite factor of Speed. Let's get this straight, VDW gave plenty of selections that were nowhere near the top rated on speed. He gave speed due respect, but also said that "Speed is no use without form" and that "No single factor decides the outcome of races".

I use speed as a guide, more so in some approaches than others, but it didn't play a part in his chase selections for the period he gave and it doesn't in mine.

Mtoto makes a surprising error by stating that Wild Spice was not consistent, nor even in the top 3 consistent. My calculations make him one of the 3 in fact the most consistent with a total of 10. You can't count point to point form by the way.

Swish I have to say once again that I am not interested in becoming part of some en mass tipping fraternity. All that matters to me is if my money is made after the hard work is done. I am also amazed, like Fulham, at the amount of people on the board who blindly back a horse because someone else suggests it. Given the amount of daily tips flying around there is evidence of some seriously addicted gamblers looking in.

I have never asked for anything in exchange for sharing some of my views on VDWs method. Some have found the views useful, others haven't. This is not unexpected, but I won't take criticism from people like you who has asked others for money related to his selections in the past and hasn't even the basic intelligence to tell one writer from another.

Fulham
Thanks for the Ability Ratings,very much appreciated

PD, email reply function not working ?

three legs
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I think the point that Three Legs is making is that by thanking Fulham publicly you are making a statement about not posting the ability ratings on Gummy's.

Guest
Will you be lumping on Samon today.

MTOTO
You are maybe being a little unfair on Swish. He is simply raising the question of the integrity of some members. Just because you fail to see his point, doesn´t make him wrong.
You recently had a pop at me for expressing similar sentiments, fair enough, I may go OTT sometimes, but you can count the numbers I have attacked on one hand, but every one a ´psued´ IMO.
As I have said before, there are too many intelligent people on here asking too many questions for them all to be wrong. Maybe it is time for a re-think.

jOHND
There are also too many intelligent people asking too many questions who haven't even got the books.

But not you.

lll
I admit i'm not intelligent,But at least i have gone to some effort to try and understand,And now i am reaping the benefits.

Investor

re staking plans, you are probably right. The trouble with the one VDW gave was that it doesn't seem to fit the horses I do, or might, back.

Focusing on my primary interest, the better handicaps, no plan is needed because the prices tend to be 5/1+ and EW betting eliminates (famous last words!) losing runs. Similarly, with horses like your Quiet Storm, straight win bets would seem appropriate.


It's more coping with the Wild Spice's of this world where I can't, at present, see a way forward - in the range 4/6 - 6/4. There level stakes seems to produce meagre profits, and VDW's plan too doesn't work so well if you get a poor run and then a 4/6 on shot. Anyway, something to ponder over.

re Samon, I can't believe VDW would bet at 1/7, given his comment re Little Owl in the "Spells it all out" article. The "nuisance" factor has surely got to make taking those odds regularly fairly dicey. Anyway, good luck if you do.

Ah well, back to Lloyd George and the Webbs.

investor. were
bonus and approach
your ones to consider today.

Good, I`m pleased for you.

Johnd,

Good to see you posting again. First I wasn't have any sort of a go at Swish, I was just trying to answer his points. As I said I don't understand the need to post before the race. If * says he backed x*, I will have a look at it and make up MY own mind if it was a VDW selection. There are a few that have posted their ideas (maybe not too clearly) and I can judge by the previous posts if they are following the procured they have suggested in the past. If they haven't or I don't understand I ask why, how? To be honest there are some selections put up I don't bother to look at. Usually when they fail in the basics.

I have no quarrel with Swish, I do think he gives to much credence to the bare s/f, and I have told him so. In a nice way of course. You can tell by my posts I put a lot more emphasis on the s/f than Guest, but is not based on the bare figure. Guest tells us speed by itself isn't enough, I can only agree. However, I do think it is more important then he thinks. I keep asking myself why are so many of my BEST HORSES the same as his c/form horses.

So sorry if the post came across in the wrong way.

Guest,

If the ability rating is partly to judge a horses will to win, why not take all races you know about?

Another question, taking your logic about form why wasn't Roushayd the c/form horse at Epsom? Which ability rating do you thing was used in TONC, and how was Ile de Chypre second c/form?

Be Lucky

Fulham
My post to Guest was a joke.

I think Fulham might need more of a hint with that one.

Nessie
Yes they are the ones to evaluate,Bonus shouldn't have any probs but i see the horse looks like going off at around 1/3 i won't be playing With Approach there seems to be a few flies in the ointment so i'm not plying today.

Jib
I like Jimmy white.