Cheers guest, really appreciate that as you say Royal Ascot next week should be a great weeks racing, enjoy it everyone.

Lookin forward to Royal ascot like hell Mr Pigeon.Its sure to be a great meeting

Yes bio, remember if johnston phones your uncle give the lads a nod on here would you.

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Originally posted by Fulham:
BT

I regard your post as unacceptably abusive and have drawn it to Gummy's attention.

Since your brief arrival on this thread you have demonstrated an ignorance of VDW's work which needs correcting: I don't mean matters of interpretation, but matters of fact. Indeed, if you were serious about improving your understanding you'd be grateful to be put right on such basic matters. And if you don't want to understand VDW's work properly, at least correcting your errors saves others from assuming that, because you post assertively, you might be properly representing VDW's position.

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Yes and your the man to correct it-I dont think so!
Your self righteous attitude is extremely annoying and for your information I have a very good grounding of VDW and have all the literature to boot.But if you seriously think that VDW analysis of racing is the only one which can select winners then God only knows.Any debate in which VDW is mentioned is like sh*t to a fly with you and you come on and act like some VDW Guru who knows it all looking down on things which we ordinary mortals dont understand is pathetic.The truth is nobody understands VDW methodology like the man himself-if he ever existed that is and for you to slag off peoples opinions without being the man-its sad, really sad.VDW interpretation can narrow the field and has helped me win more than when I first encountered his writings,but it aint infallible.To use it to its full and complete ability it WILL only select around 24 bets a year.Yes there may be occasions where a selection can win using it, but to win PROFITABLY the only conditions where there is no danger to the selection is around 24 x a year.End of communications

BT

Your posts re the types of races VDW gave as examples gives the lie to your "very good grounding" claim.

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Originally posted by walter pigeon:
Yes bio, remember if johnston phones your uncle give the lads a nod on here would you.

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Hes not my Uncle Walter he's Mark Johnstons Uncle.
Sorry I didnt enter this on the original thread but old Jimmy also told me that MJ has 4 entered in the Chesham and that only one or maybe two will run, but he will very probably have the winner.I cant wait.By the way did you see Wessex win-even if I did'nt win a few quid today I would have to admit he was mightily impressive and must be followed.

Biotechnology,

You are bang out of order.

Whatever you think of Fulham and his interpretations of VDW, that type of moronic abuse is uncalled for.

Fulham's ability, to present factual information, on VDW's selections, for members of this forum, who dont have or have not yet collated the neccessary information, is second to none and is much appreciated by many on this part of the forum.

How was the bacon?

Where do you get the strength to maintain such a degree of arseholism? Is that one of the advatages of reliquishing you trousers to the fat but delicious?

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Originally posted by Fulham:
BT

Your posts re the types of races VDW gave as examples gives the lie to your "very good grounding" claim.

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I used Group 1 races as an example not as a be all and end all Professor Vdw.If you had your monocle on and read the post correctly you might understand that.I dont lie or profess to know more than anybody else unlike yourself.The books and writings are like a maze,temprament and seeing NO DANGERS to the selection are what is needed not jumping on the bandwagon after races saying why this didnt win or that was the selection.I rest my case and as I know you like the last word I will give you it.Not nice talking to you Professor

Give me a reason not to post.

Barney
In your opinion that is!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fulham:
BT

Perhaps I could refer you to the final sentence of paragraph 9 of VDW's article of 13/3/80. Prior to the publication of that article, VDW had given 37 examples, of which 21 were of handicaps (57%). Intermittently over the next seventeen years he gave another 87 examples, of which 51 were handicaps (59%).


Sorry to correct you Professor VDW but the correct percentages are actually 57.756756% &
58.620689% respectively.
Ode to above messsage I used Group 1's as an example.

Hi Guest,


nice to see you back posting.

In the welsh national was peaty sandy the c/f?


epi,

just like at home.

[This message was edited by Barney on June 14, 2003 at 09:58 PM.]

BIO - You do yourself no favours by flying way of the handle at Fulham for pointing out an obvious point from VDW writings. Firstly, very early on he said he had placed 32 bets in the first 6-8 weeks of one particular flat season. Hardly the 2 a month you are suggesting was or is the case.

Secondly, your post today tells us all we need to know. Your tale of small side bets and lumping on hearsay tips does not tie in with a very patient bettor. Especially given how you react to others on here for pointing out certain things to you.

If you can make 2 bets a month pay, then well done. Nobody is suggesting VDW is the only way, in fact VDW said so himself. This is a VDW thread though, so when you posted your confident selection of Dumaran a while ago, you got a response on the VDW wavelength. It was pointed out before the race that Dumaran would struggle to beat Lady Bear from a VDW angle, not to ridicule you, but to maybe make you rethink your evaluation.

By the way, it might sound boring to you, but drinking and betting are a bad mix most of the time. I suppose you think VDW downed a few pints before settling down to punt his time away in the pub in front of the tv racing all day?

Finally, you are wrong about VDW being inspired by money to write for the handicap book. Do you actually have any idea how little they would pay for articles?

Bio,

The point of this forum as I see it is to discuss VDW. You made a statement I agree with in the main, as I think Fulham does. You however stated this was a VDW edict, and Fulham responded showing some of the first examples were in low class races. How can you have a discussion if all you want is to put one side of it?

If you read this thread you will know I disagree with some of the factors used by Fulham and Guest. If they don't put forward their thinking how can we ever know if they/we are correct? The abuse they suffer is more than enough to put me off, if I received half, I would just say get on with it. Fulham is the first to try to help with the factual information, in must cases ask a straight question you will get an answer. I belong to other groups and know Fulham helps others all the time, and does on occasions pre post. I can follow his thinking and on many occasions can work out which horses he has backed. He has explained why he doesn't pre post on this thread, and that is his privilege. After JIB's preformance today (I see he has at least had the manners to apologies) I wonder that any bother.

I agree about the last 2f, but VDW did give more than a few examples were there are no race comments, French and Irish winners, etc. Although he suggested keeping to the top class races he did give examples from lower class. I have said there are horse in the examples I wouldn't have backed. I don't think Fulham as EVER said VDW is the only way, but this is the VDW thread.

Finally I still can't see the need to be personal and/or abusive.

Be Lucky

Fulham,
I'm not sure why you still bother, the lunatics took over the asylum a long time ago

On the subject of "the last 2 furlongs.." has anyone considered that once again VDW was putting something across in a way that might edge us towards weighing up form?

I interpret his meaning beyond looking at the in running comments, which is obviously a guide based on someones opinion. One thing he is telling us is to concentrate on what happens where the real race takes place.

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Originally posted by Guest:
BIO - You do yourself no favours by flying way of the handle at Fulham for pointing out an obvious point from VDW writings. Firstly, very early on he said he had placed 32 bets in the first 6-8 weeks of one particular flat season. Hardly the 2 a month you are suggesting was or is the case.

Secondly, your post today tells us all we need to know. Your tale of small side bets and lumping on hearsay tips does not tie in with a very patient bettor. Especially given how you react to others on here for pointing out certain things to you.

If you can make 2 bets a month pay, then well done. Nobody is suggesting VDW is the only way, in fact VDW said so himself. This is a VDW thread though, so when you posted your confident selection of Dumaran a while ago, you got a response on the VDW wavelength. It was pointed out before the race that Dumaran would struggle to beat Lady Bear from a VDW angle, not to ridicule you, but to maybe make you rethink your evaluation.

By the way, it might sound boring to you, but drinking and betting are a bad mix most of the time. I suppose you think VDW downed a few pints before settling down to punt his time away in the pub in front of the tv racing all day?

Finally, you are wrong about VDW being inspired by money to write for the handicap book. Do you actually have any idea how little they would pay for articles?

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Lumping on hearsay tips guest from none other than the trainer himself to his Uncle who draws a paltry pension everyweek, come on.I would wager that if you were in a pub and you got the same info I did you would have bet Wessex yourself.
VDW DID get paid to write articles after his initial writings, why else would he persevere with the abuse and disbelieve he encountered after coming into the publics eye.
Finally I selected several bets before I left for the boozer and bet them accordingly.2x £10 wins Little Edward & Dazzling Bay & £10 double.
To my reckoning LE was a near certainty and it was disapointing to see him return @ 4/5.I had no other bets.Now if you come down on me for selecting two horses which dont agree with your criteria so what-they won.
Also I run a successful business which I work many hours overseeing and doing accounts sometimes to late at night-the only day off for me is a Saturday with my m8s which I enjoy and look forward to-whats the problem?

Guest/Mtoto

I naturely agree with the views you've expressed since BT and I crossed swords.


Crock

A pertinent question, and my answer is I won't bother nearly so much in future.

It is clear that those seriously interested in researching VDW's approach are nearly all in touch with one another "off thread" through one means or another. I think that sharing information and ideas through those means is now probably a better use of time.