What better reason for going public than one of this thread's deserters, and, as a consequence, one who contributed to its demise, asking you not to?

The question I would ask is why do you think Gummy is that stupid he would want a pile of junk/crap on his doorstep?

If he really agreed with you wouldn't he be the first to get rid of it? You had your way and brow beat the thread out of existence, trouble is if it is posted on another board it doesn't do much for the creditability of the site. First it shows the Moderator lost control, and that posting written to a private form are not private.

I think the really sad bit is the biggest mouth who says the purpose of the board is to help others. The best he can come up with after 4000 + posts, is to read the Daily Mail!!

Gummy, I hope you can pull the forum round, and regain the respect it, and you deserve. Please don't let the lunatics run the asylum again. Just shut them up the minute they get out of hand, quietly but very very firmly.

Good Luck

The reason ha I dont post on VDW anymore is that I didnt get any straight answers.

But. I have taken VDW to heart and in a systematic way sorted it all into tables. Now if some of you think VDW is crap fine but my tables were shown to work and they continue to work. So for that I thank gummy and the vdw forum. My losing runs are now short and vdw staking works fine.

Yeagh - JIB -

Read your post a few times before the penny dropped !!

I agree -

Not an ounce of "Bloody Fun" !

Why are we all here - if not ??



tc

I guess both Determined and Mtoto scored 0% on the 80% challenge so it's easy to understand why they would be unhappy to see the secrets so freely imparted to them bandied about in public.

Once again you demonstrate your astonishing lack of perception.
You accuse JIB of ' Bad mouthing the thread out of existence', yet you readily join another thread that is run by the person who has posted more abuse and vitriol on this board than any other single member; and ultimately has been a key factor in its dismantling.
Like others in this sorry syndicate, you then blame members who have remained loyal to Gummy for this thread's current problems, while turning a blind eye to the real truth; that it is you and your co-deserters who must carry that responsibility.
I may not agree with JIB's views on VDW, but I would always defend his right to tell the truth as he sees it, something that seems alien to you and many of your conspirators.

Johnd

You wrote to Mtoto:

"yet you readily join another thread that is run by the person who has posted more abuse and vitriol on this board than any other single member ..."

I can give you a categorical assurance that you are way off the mark with your view as to the proprietor of the other board: I promise you that it isn't Epiglotis, and I'll defend his right not to be falsely accused.

can you tell me where the other VDW board is please?

Throwing out all the bullshit the first question to address is the degree of solubility implicit in the race.

From the biggest mouth to the biggest moaner..............you poor miserable bastard.

Johnd,

I think you hit the nail on the head with the truth as he sees it. It is a bit like the truth as you see it through the eyes of a child. Mummy, mummy that nasty man has taken the ball away when I wanted to play. The fact that you can't behave, or even know how to play the game doesn't come into it.

The truth as I see it........

Fulham
I have been in 3 forums and another message board. I have NEVER seen an abusive posting from him. He has always been a gentleman, he has always tried to help with any serious request. I know for a fact he was as disappointed as me when the idiots arrived. I think everyone that has joined the new forum really wanted to stay with Gummy.

The idiots....

You, acting like a spoilt child. Screaming abuse at everyone, and anything you don't understand. If you act like this in life you must be a very sad person.

JIB,
Only real interest seem to be showing his language skills. I also think he would like to take over the site then he will be the top dog. Think he will try to kill any thread he doesn't understand. Bet he is a real whizz with the natives, but just another sad person. Craving attention

The amiable idiot, knows nothing or very little. So tries to get by on playing the fool. Nothing but a bully at heart. 4000 posts of rubbish says it all really. This is short because there isn't anything worth saying about this prat. Another that craves attention

Epi, Now here is someone who can be abusive, nearly the rudest person on the board. However he has to be excused because it is the drink. He knows nothing about horse racing, but that doesn't stop him posting (2000 +). If the posting was to try and learn it wouldn't be too bad, but no he was made an offer that anyone (who wanted to learn)would jump at, he turned it down. Hope he now knows what the Derby is.

Jimmy. The rude one who has no excuse. If you say something he doesn't like you are stupid (or dog shit). He comes across as intelligent, but really he is as thick as the dog shit. He posted a very good piece about s/f in his newspaper, but he was too stupid to work out how to find the better selections. At least he is balanced he has a chip on both shoulders.

Then there's Gummy and this is sad. He had a very good site and he let these arseholes spoil it by allowing them the licence to abuse the best VDW thread on the net. Fair enough if folk don't like VDW, but they should have been stopped when it first started. He knows VDW isn't rubbish/crap, and now many new members did it attract? If he's honest it can be the only reason to post it on the open forum. Will he clean it up so potential members can't see what the morons get up to? Think he will have to. Then what will people who thought their systems/methods were going to the members only, think? The VDW thread has had a lot more work than back the 2nd favourite in 5 horse fields, 3rd letter R type systems.

So Johnd you open a can of worms if everyone goes round saying the truth as they see it. I was taught if you can't say anything good, say nothing.

Some seem to think I am humourless that's not true. I have a job I love, and I enjoy it. I don't think taking the piss is funny, though I do agree it is easy. Gummy gave you a thread it has the title HUMOUR use it.

What a lot of piss and wind that was.

Thanks for that character analysis. I guess the offer that you mention was Fulham's about the books(?), I'm surprised that you still dont see how subversive that offer was, I'm even more surprised that you got nothing from my lesson about the names of races. What can I say? other than the degree to which you're bogged down in your preconceptions precludes the possibility for progress, so, you and the others in the know have no more to contribute and no potential to learn.

Your summary of Fulham speaks volumes, not only about your perspicacity, but also your veracity.

Johnd

For once I am in complete agreement with one of your posts. Mtoto is a very acute judge of character (and, on the selections he puts up, a good judge of horses to boot).

Well I feel well left out,
no mention from Mtoto.
What makes anyone think either Fulham or Mtoto haven't got a sense of humour?
For the answer please refer to any post they have ever made.
Q.

You are " Whine-ing" and asking members to let you know where the new "VDW" board is ??

I have just clicked onto your "Member Profile" - You have told the forum - Damm All - about yourself _ no E.Mail address - No Personal Info - Why the Hell should anyone give "You" any info ???

Personaly I hope they all get lost in a "bloody great swamp" - but if you hope to follow them, you will need to contribute a bit more than you have ! -- to get to be admitted to this "Club" of "----rs"

tc