which yeaqr is it?

these are figures for 1988 onwards.

distance wins runs

5-6f 90-524
7-9f 267-1830
10-11f 104-684
12-13f 45-326
14f+ 17-142
Jumps 53-586

Note the pronounced bulge at 7-9f, now either all these trainer are wrong, who targeted the horse at 8 rather than 14, or you are.

also note the lach of success at the jumps. THE HORSE DOES NOT STAY.

Seriously; If you dont know how to interpret the data. keep yer gob shut, or are you just putting a couple away?

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But the %age is better for sprints. . . .

Tc

I have just checked my records of races evaluated in July and have come up with the following figures;

67 races evaluated, 56 won by horse in first 5/6 in betting f/c which equals 84%, 44 won by 3 most consistent from that f/c equals 66%.

Compared to July 2003

70 races evaluated, 55 won by horse in first 5/6 in betting f/c which equals 79%, 48 won by 3 most consistent from that f/c equals 69%.

These figures are much higher than the figures in your survey.
Can you tell me how you arrived at the first 5 in the betting and how you defined the 3 most consistent in your survey.

You like to shovel your 50ps into the slot machines dont you?

The RP figs you quote do not include races outside the UK. Nor are they seperated by indivudual furlong distances which will further confuse you. And even the most dimwitted observer would imagine that there would likely be a sprint distance bias because of the 2yo figs being included.

The current edition of Timeforms Stallions Statistical Review states that Diesis' 4yo+ have an average winning distance of 11.1 f.

You obviously manage to keep your 'gob' shut by keeping your feet in it.

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they must be that shit at a mile at three then that they trainers are "clutching at strawers" by running them over longer and slower trips.

There are no feet big enough that wouldnt rattle in your gob, well maybe foour elephants feet, utleast tha wouldnt be able to put anyone away then though.

EPI,

i wouldnt stand for that, he called you a dimwitted observer.

Hilarious





15 all Jib to serve

Le Petomane

Barney,

You could have quite a future as a vaudeville artist because your ability to talk through your arse is phenomenal.

Amongst the sires of 3yos, Diesis occupies the joint 43rd position for the average Timeform rating (c,g, and f) for all their offspring. The average Timeform rating of Diesis 3yos is 79.

By number of horses who achieve Timeform ratings of 100 or more Diesis is in 24th position.

The av winning distance od Diesis 3yo progeny is 9.5f.

Le Petomane

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garstonf - hi

Survey starts on 8 Aug and every result from then on is posted .

an explanation is on page 683.

look around pages 680 - 683 onwards - if its still not clear then please ask again - Betting forcast is from D.Mail - which I think Gummy will agree - is pretty reliable.Most races it agrees with the R.Post.

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All very interesting and yet again showing how VERY>>>>>VERY>>>>>>>VERY cle3ver you are but whats tha7t got to do with a $yr old in a 1m6?


Just throw the ****ing TSSR in the bin.

you cant even find losers with it never mind winners.


dont forget this is a vdw thread, what as all this SHITE got to do with VDW analysis?.

you should start another thread for the more gulible........ The put aways.......that would be a good title. Perhaps you could come up with something more euphamistyck(but rag all to do with horses) perhaps inspired by some dead poet or Robin Williams.

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Thats your problem isn it Barney?

You talk shite, get caught out, then say it doesnt matter because the real subject is vdw where you claim to spout only wisdom. Which you try to back up with lists of winners after racing.

not at all,

my problem is trying to get interested people to stand up to dickhead now knowts like thee.

What really hurts is that this 'knownowt' has put up threads whose numbers of pages go into double figs and who have shown constant profit from the first to last page, whilst you cant get past page 1 can you ?

Todays 'well in' lost, yesterdays won at 5/2. The 'knownowt' is still in profit, so whos taking the piss out of whom?

im taking the piss out of you....DOH....

dont blame me for your inadequate analysis.....

you shouldnt even be soiling this thread with you are MUMBO-JUMBO selctuns.

BOO-Hoo....BOO....HOOO

and im the reigning tipping champ who put up selections at all prices from 2/1 to 20/1 over the course of a year.

dont come crying on my shoulder looking for syptyhy!!!

Sahaat 250C is well in with everything else tomorrow however neither horse, trainer, jockey, nor sire recomend themselves at tomorrows conditions.

However, depending on ones view of wfa, Totally Yours 305H is well in with all but two (Bonne De Fleur and Solar Power) where the weight differences are correct in relation to the ORs. On sire stats her last 5 runs have all been at the wrong distances. Tomorrow she gets her previous winning distance. The trainer has a poor record here though but the sire stats suggest she' ll like the g/s but at the fc 10/1 it makes it a bit safer for Barney to name her 'lay of the day.'

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Barney/Jib
Come on boys give it a rest,This could be a good thread if the fighting stopped and more thought was put into the methods.If you weren't interested John we wouldn't post on this thread as frequently as you do,Anyway here's something to think about.

Betting the vdw way : The myth of the missing link.

THE CLASS IN WHICH A HORSE RUNS IS A VITAL FACTOR AND MANY TIMES I HAVE SUGGESTED WATCHING HOW A TRAINER PLACES HIS CHARGES.

A horse usually running in a 1,800 2 mile event is unlikely to feature in the result of a 25,000 three mile race against horses that have shown form at this level.

Only in this race it was 1 mile 4 against 1 mile 6.

ive just had a look at this thread and it saddens me you have two of what i concider the most positive con to this board dog fighting come on lads dont blacken your names if you want to have an argument exchange e mails so that the board can be used properly hope you see sense and stop this petty bickering

good luck to all today

Tc

Thanks for the reply.
I had a holiday in August and didn’t do much evaluating, so for what it is worth here are my figures;

12 races evaluated, 10 won by horse in first 5/6 in betting f/c which equals 83%, 6 won by 3 most consistent from that f/c equals 50%.

Compared to August 2003

40 races evaluated, 33 won by horse in first 5/6 in betting f/c which equals 83%, 24 won by 3 most consistent from that f/c equals 60%.

Perhaps August this year was a bad month for consistent horses.