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The Vital Spark Member  |
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Not g hall: thanks for the reply, although it was rather disappointing. You didn't point out any examples and your recommendations were pretty silly, Guest convincingly demonstrated over a considerable period a lack of ability to profitably select horses, Fulham is one of the most dim-witted people I've ever been frustrated by trying to communicate with, Raffingora I remember as a rather cautious selector with a decent strike rate at a profit, in any case none of these inspire me to review their own selections (Fulham of course made no selections) and provide as good an arguement as one could want (throw in Investor, Barney and Mtoto) against the advisability of scoring the formbooks, sniffing around for hidden factors and all that nonsense. If VDW as a process is a helpfull tool in the finding of winners the historical examples aren't necessary, all one needs is an explanation of that process. If the examples are necessary it can only be because they dont conform to the process as explained and if this latter is the case then one might as well forget VDW and draw one's own conclusions from contempory races.
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Overnight Sensation
If, as you claim, you have recently read the whole of this thread  , you should have realised that most of the invective is reserved for those who make silly claims without showing any justification for their self-appointed expertise.There are endless fora on the internet for the anonymous to bolster their fragile egoes, the favourite pastime being to assume authority while showing zero knowledge of the subject. If, and when, you establish your credentials on this thread, you may achieve some of the recognition you obviously crave. Until such times, you will always remain just another sad b******. |
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Thanks boozer -
For all those reasons - I tend not to pay a great deal of attention to the OR - but since greg clearly does - I rather hoped that he might be able to show me - the error of my ways !  Just seen the new BHB Handicaping system - does tis mean that all that Hard earned knowedge - gets chucked out of the window  This message has been edited. Last edited by: Tuppenycat, |
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Hi TC -
Not that I was taking the piss over STRIDER but it is so rare that I actually understand what you guys are on-about ........ that I've waited weeks just to say somthing in context  (I hope!)BTW ...... Today's News quote: Where does fixing fit in the VDW formulae ? |
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ftse -
I think I'll start betting on tiddlewink contests instead ! |
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Em, well, morning has broken and the sun is shining.
Some of the scholars are a little late, so I'd better give myself a bollocking before they wake up. My idea of a VDW selection (posted last night at 9.30) is a non-qualifier, I fear. Going only on Gummy's posting on VDW, there is a quote from one Charlie Anderson, "Never back a horse that has not shown form at the distance to be run today." So, alas, my In the Dark may not be a VDW selection after all! The time is about ten to eleven,btw, and the race isn't due to start till 3.45. |
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Tc
Had a look at today's cards in the RP, and the new BHB system seems to have little effect on the races, apart from making the titles confusing. Actually, it should make life easier, as we won't have to try to figure out if horse A can give horse B 2 stone. |
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Seanrua the race it won last time out is working out extremely well.
Dont know about the ground as he has`nt raced on anything softer than gd & been of course for a wee while, other than that he looks good, an improving horse. |
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JIB.
Days!!!! "I only found this site some weeks ago" it's called understanding ENGLISH. I presumed that others on this forum may be in contact with each other in private, I am not one of them, however, having said that there is one member on here who I have helped by giving him a number of very recent examples. If he wishes to say this is the case, then I do not object, and yes, all but one were post race. Epi. I am not surprised at your posting, to a point. Although I did for some reason think that you were not following the hounds so to speak. The people that I mentioned made "some" excellent postings "if read and understood". Yours Silly!!! JohnD. I will not justify myself to anyone, anywhere. Yours and some others desire is to understand what vdw is all about, without working for it, most others have had to, why are you different?. I also have no desire for recognition amongst the mud slingers in here that have without doubt held others back by way of the lack of quality postings, these people do not belong here, they should be in amongst where the children play. Sad B******, mmmm, not a jealous one though. That last statement is the whole crux of the bickering on this thread, it is no good saying jealous of what, as deep down you know, dont you!!.  |
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Seanrua
Into The Dark has yet to show form at this level, or this distance. However, he is improving, and his Leger entry suggests he may improve further at today's distance; which is a pity really, because in his absence Larkwing would have been a good bet. ps Just heard that L's jockey has been arrested, don't know whether that will make a difference yet? This message has been edited. Last edited by: johnd, |
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F*** hall
Novice to genius in a fortnight, moderator within a month. You really are impressive...but only in your mirror. |
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My my JohD, painful isn't it.
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This is getting boring. It is no wonder that so many good posters have stopped posting on this thread. Some of the dregs left in here are just yukky.
Wind em up an watch em go. Don't some get annoyed with words. |
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T.c
Judging by the welcome i have recieved from YOU,I don't think i'll bother.Iv'e just had a look back through the thread and nothing has changed unfortunately.You say you want selections putting up.Why not put them up yourself vdw ones that is. |
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Jib
Refugees from the 'other' website are easy to spot. They are noisy, self-congratulatory,have delusions of grandeur, and usually turn out to be paper tigers. Even for them, their latest clown is a lulu! |
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Jd,
I dont know if you remember the party games you played at birthdays when you were a boy? But one of my favourites was 'pinning the tail on the ass.' |
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Just for reference, I note that betbetter has In the Dark clear top-rated by 33 points.
As I've said, this animal probably doesn't qualify on all counts as a VDW selection, but I'll say it's the nearest thing to one this day. For those who believe the written book is all, this thing should win. I agree that it should win, but will it? I don't know. Btw, I backed Red Bloom in the preceding race. Dunno who's riding. My man is not available! |
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OK - I promised some figures today so here we go -
first of all we have already stripped out the N Hunt - The amateur - and the maiden races - that leaves us with 234 races 116 winners were within the VDW consitency formula of 3 most consitnt from 1st 5 in the betting thats a 49% strike rate 72 winners were outside the 1st 5 in the betting forcast thats 30% of the total -------------------- broken down int hcp and stakes Hcp - 169 races - 79 winners - 46% 57 outside 1st 5 in the forcast - 33% Stakes - 65 races - 37 winners - 56% 15 outside 1st 5 in the forcast - 23% --------------------- Broken down into Class of race Class A Hcp 1-12 runners 1 win- 1 loss - (outside the forcast) Stakes 1 - 12 runners - 19 races - 12 winners - 63% Stakes 13+ runners - 3 races - 0 winners - 0% - Overall 22 races - 12 winners - 54% 3 winners outside the forcast Class B Hcp 1- 12 runners - 3 races - 2 winners - 66% 1 winner outside the 1st 5 in the forcast Hcp 13+ runners - 6 races - 4 winners - 66% 2 winners outside 1st 5 -- Overall 9 races - 6 wins - 66% 3 winners outside 1st 5 - 33% ------ Stakes 1-12 runners - 2 races - 2 winners - 100% Class C Hcp 1 - 12 runners - 15 races - 8 winners - 53% 2 Winners out side 1st 5 Hcp 13+ runners - 11 races - 4 winners - 36% 7 winners outside 1st 5 - Overall 26 races - 12 winners - 46% 9 winners outside 1st 5 - 34% ------ Stakes 1 - 12 runners - 8 races - 4 winners - 50% 1 winner outside 1st 5 Class D Hcp 1- 12 runners - 32 races - 17 winners - 53% 4 winners outside 1st5 - 12% Hcp 13+ runners - 13 races - 4 winners - 30% 6 winners outside 1st 5 - 46% -- Overall - 45 races - 21 winners - 46% 10 winners outside 1st 5 in the betting forcast - 22% ---- Stakes 1 - 12 runners - 12 races - 7 winners - 58% 3 winners outside 1st 5 Stakes 13 + runners - 1 race - 0 winners - 0% - overall - 13 races - 8 winners - 61% 4 winners outside 1st 5 - 11% Class E Hcp 1 - 12 runners - 36 races - 19 winners - 52 % 9 winners outside 1st 5 - 25% Hcp 13+ runners - 28 races - 13 winners - 46% 10 winners outside 1st 5 - 36% -- overall - 64 races - 32 winners - 50% ----- Stakes 1 -12 runners - 8 races - 5 winners - 62% 3 winners outside 1st 5 - 37% Class F Hcp 1 - 12 runners - 6 races - 1 winner - 16% 4 winners outside 1st 5 - 66% Hcp 13+ runners - 18 races - 5 winners - 27% 10 winners outside 1st 5 - 55% --- overall - 24 races - 6 winners - 25% -- Stakes 1 - 12 runners - 3 races - 1 winner - 33% 1 Winner outside 1st 5 - Class G Hcp - 1 race - 0 winners - 0% - Stakes 1 - 12 runners - 6 races - 4 winners - 66% 1 runner outside 1st 5 Stakes 13+ runners - 3 races - 1 winner - 33% ------------------------------------- PHEW ! This message has been edited. Last edited by: Tuppenycat, |
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